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Right so after asking about Have lore content on the site, and After Jarvis saying. No, I went to Komo. And asked her about it. She told me to make a topic about it. After I Declined it yesterday. I felt more inclined to do it today.
We have written lore already Made. What we don't have is lore for each planet in a more depth version. Sure we have the Wiki. But when you are going to allow people to make custom races, that kinda rules out the possibly of this site being Canon. With that being said. I would greatly suggest you allow the Players to make Lore up for each planet. To get an in depth feeling. This is a DBU not DBZ. We know Vegeta is warm, Icer is Freezing with snow. Kold's Demon Planet. Earth varies, what about the others. Also you have to ask another question with the lack of content adding more content will it hurt us? In the long run. No, suggestions are made and turned into implements in the future. What's wrong with having more lore to beneficent the site.
Next, I want to bring in other things. Demigods. Why not? We have Humans but Demigods and Humans are two different species. Basically what I am getting from Human's SF(Super Forms) Once they get their 49X Transform they auto become Demigod...? No. That shouldn't be even remotely possible since those two are different races. So there that idea bring Demigods. Give them High Starting PL above Kold's which is around 4,000,4,500. High End, Strength, Speed Racial, And one or three shitty Transform to balance things out.
Last thing. Kai? Why not have Kais this earlier. If your telling me Kais are overpowered because they have High Pl. Shouldn't Changelings Start the same with atleast 100,000-500,000 since Changeling were a high power level race? Why not Give the starting power Level for Kais, 10,000-50,000 make it a rare race, and make it those who will stick around able to make into it. Restrict Interdenominational Travel unless a Major Threat Acquired. Boom Kais?
(My ideas. I want your opinions and voices. Tell me what you think, these are merely ideas and Suggestions I want to hear your voices and your thoughts.)
First thing Demi-gods aren't really a thing. Humans get that because they are supposed to be the strongest end game and most powerful at the end wituot counting in other ways to power up. They get that ending because they are meant to be on top and special at the end. An Demi gods make it hard to say what you'd mean. Cause there are no gods for children to come from. An hybriding with kai's and oni's is a no go. Cause some of their traits that would hybridized wouldn't work with how the game works.
Two I'm severly against writing lore for backstory that any member can do cause that would just make the story all over the place. Anyone could add anything and it would just become a arguement over whose ideas are better or things that make no sense. The lore thats to be changed and written as we go is what happens as we move forward and the story we make. there is already a lore with the battles between the empires and between the vegeta army and the alliance. Nameks rough past. There is lore there if you'd bother to read the time line. So no the idea of just adding random lore to a planet will likely not be a thing. An your point about custom races is kinda moot since you CAN describe the home planet of a custom race. Thats the closest one really gets to describing a planet.
Three. Kai's Kai's can possible be a thing but they would be needed to be under a much higher rule. Beings that would know so much considering how long they live and how strong they are would have some special circumstances attached to them. for starters they would not and will not be leaving the other realm in most likely. They will also not be the big trainers like King Kai persay. After life training will be trained by NPCs. So a Kai race would be a only after life race pretty much. It ruins the point of other realm races if they can just hope over and given we rarely ever saw a kai come over unless it was horrific circumstances this would be one of the things I'd look for in their apps to ensure they don't do that. Oni's I'm fine with since they are a more a minor race in the other world.
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I guess with the Demigods I would agree. Since we have no Gods that come from. You're right and Kais are born from fruits and they don't reproduce. I guess on this point you are correct.
However, random stuff? I think not. I would like to suggest that Who ever writes the lore for the site. Should be admin approved for that Lore Submissions. We have like five staff members, and two mods. And your telling me not a single one can me a discussion about this and approve this as a thing. I am not bashing you guys I love and respect you guys. But more content would be beneficent to read.
Three. I guess you are right, basically what I said, they shouldn't be allowed to leave unless there's a major threat and even then it should up to the admin to make that final choice.
(Please Jarvis don't take my second comment as a insult. I am merely trying to get this through. I have nothing but respect for you guys. I also want to here what others think about these ideas.)
The story is never intended to alter the past. An there is a past instilled into the empires. Your lore that takes place if any before the start of your char is your history. What happened to him or her and how it effects role play after. Small little lore stories and background seems redundant. An if it surrounds a char to a extent you can just write that chars history attempt to be what you want his back story to surround. But there is already a lore. That's why theres the split off from vegeta how PTO has crushed its way free from the Kold hands. Earth has had its share of problems from before the alliance and saiyans squabbled. If you want to add lore for a planet or something then create a race and describe their planet or form a faction and build up to taking a planet.
Further more for some of the reason I've just stated. Iron and concreting out every minor detail is highly unneeded and possibly more limiting. For instance when they state about the wars and what happened for the empires. Throwing into too many clear details makes it harder for chars to have their own input back stories. The history has been and set for how it is. I see no point in that besides the idea of having a few paragraphs added to a timeline that isn't needed. The pre history back in dbz times is exactly the same none of that is changing. What happened after is listed.
The story is about what happens going forward. The only things that a char effects from before the moving forward point is his history. If oyu want lore on what happened to Cui's home planet? Make the race and describe it. And even more so as well only the most recent stuff in recent years such the wars and thigns we have listed would be the only important lore needed as well. Since the lore of the show so many years prior to us is also unchangeable as thats the canon. And secondly most of our chars don't know much about those people unless its special circumstances. Like a few choice older androids and bio androids in some cases that would have ways to have that information from creation or their story. But most more modern chars would know much about Goku or the fights that went on back then.
Plus i sad random stuff because once again the lore we have is set. You wouldn't be a fill in the blanks kinda thing for that. What happend with the alliance went as it did so changing for a more fancy lore wouldn't work cause it went ho wit went not how someone else wants it to have went. The Tuffles and the war is set. Tuffles are in fact dead as door nails and gone. Not gonna re change that so easy as someone poofing in lore that might allow easy loopholes to things set. I think its a really odd idea to start focusing on altering the past when the whole point of the rp is to move forward into a story after you've made your char history.
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But wouldn't you want the lore to be expandable in the long run? So people a more based a general Idea? instead of a couple of sentences? Anyways moving on on to the topics.
Organizations and Missions:
We have Factions Done. Saiyan Army, Z_Fighters, etc. But we don't have a exact thing for them yet? i've spoken with Komo, about Creation of Custom Organization. I know few minor details. But I am talking about the current factions. We have these factions? Yet no one doesn't seem to do anything with it. I haven't read any faction based threads so please don't bite my head off for the lack of Ignorance. But wouldn't Exclusive items would be nice to have for these current Factions that are currently be able to be obtainable?
Next order of business. Is the Missions. I know we don't have these this. Because you don't want NPCS. But we can do this easily. Since we are limited to Five Solo Threads, Unlimited Group Threads. why not have another thing for Five Mission Threads as well. These can be rewards with Items, Pl, or Zenni, based on the user's or admins choice, on top of the grading, and anything else. These missions can be player made or admin created if Player made, it can be approved by staff. What are your thoughts, on these two ideas?
Z-fighters didn't exist until Tau remade them. The saiyan army is in shambles under a council until a real leader takes its place. You make these factions in a sense how you want them within reason and what makes sense after leaders take them or build them. Tau was not handed the position by some old monk she trained and seized it to become a protector of earth.
Factions can be built or controlled by the positions that govern them. If you want a custom thing for a faction then build one in the future. You don't get any bonuses either for simply wanting to lead some saiyan soldiers for part of the army. You can just rp how the army is while around them on Vegeta. An adding a lore that says 'this is how they are' makes it harder for people to do their own thing on Vegeta as well. Its the saiyan army. They are big angry people wanting to fight and conquer like saiyans. I'm not concreting anything special to them to make it harder for others to do their own thing on the planet as well around them. If you want to mold the saiyan army then take over the throne and mold them as a king through rp. Take over the saiyan academy when you can and mold them through training. Stuff isn't super concrete so it can be altered in rp.
And special items won't be a thing besides the schools for techs and positions that run them. Special items if you run a faction would be your ship re flavored as a mother ship and a dojo re flavored as barracks or something. The rp is also rather young so I don't quite understand of the idea of people wanting more before they've even went to conquer something or try and lean into a faction. You don't need some big fancy reward to want to rp into a army or the pto. Thats your rp experience to do that and your plot. An honestly if there was a big fancy item and you were just rping to get that item alone it would probably not be that interesting of a rp.
An missions were a idea that were already discussed and decided against. The system is mean to be played in rp and just influence combat and the rest of the earned things you get from the rp are just flavored rp using your items if you want more boosts. You can go rp saving a town without a npc telling you to do it. This idea already ran through the mods and staff team and didn't was for the most part ended. Since in truth the growth is already at a rate that doesn't need more boosting. So adding quests with other rewards would make it even more quick which isn't needed. Quests and special events are all player built. Which is why how saga's and De's work for destruction and major events. Its all player drive and the only npc's that do exist are Yemma King Kai and the Hell Trainer. Nothings stopping people from developing ic plot and making things they need to do and getting people to rp with them in mission liek settings though. But adding on more rewards through the form of request would make the balance more problematic then it already is.
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Side quests are just how people rp. But they would be more for story. There isn't a need in fact some would argue deterrent given the growth to add more ways to get larger rewards.
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I am not saying I want a big fancy reward for leading a Saiyan Army. Right now the Item Listed is heavily Limited to limited for my likes. In my opinion. From what I a customed to on other sites. But that's a minor issue I can deal and live with for the sake of being on a site I enjoy rping on. What I am Saying is the Entire Saiyan army and other Factions should have items specifically for their Faction that people can use. If you want to shut this idea down. That's fine.
Moving on to the missions.
I understand. What your saying, However. I am heavily limited on rp. Mostly because you are limited to Five Solos a week. and Unnlimited amount of Group Threads. While the unlimited Group threads is a a nice feature to have. Most of the rp is on the Planet I hate most in DBZ. Which is Earth. Everyone goes there. Which leaves planets like Vegeta, Namek, Icer(Kold's planet), and many others with rps to be doing only solos for five rps each week unless you go to earth where most people are at. What if you have no reason to go there? Would you go there just for the sake of rp. or would you go there for the sake of ic reason. Is the question.
And since Missions have been decided against it. My hands are really tied.
Just a few suggestions I wanted to make.
ON another note. Why not have Admin Saga's? With Dieable or Long driven Villians? Again just some ideas. I understand this site is still young. I am just throwing ideas is all.
Factions are built by players existing ones in a sense too. You don't just get given anything. Even the position bonuses aren't just given. The have to build up and seize the position. An there are people on Vegeta just as there are people on earth. It might not be as great a number but that's just how the rp moves. Solos are limited as well because your growth shouldn't be coming from solos. They should be thought out moments of your plot that might not be able to be done as easily in group threads or training tech purposes as many use them for.
Now if someone actually builds up a faction most the items for training would still need to be something bought. But if you actually ran a faction if you wanted a item added in a sense. Like if someone had PTO Armored squads. and enough people maybe they require each underling (Players) to carry a blaster and a senzu bean. So they'd need to buy a senzu and perhaps discuss with admins to add a blaster item or something as a example. But most bigger training objects don't exist until someone runs a faction. And builds it up. A saiyan army faction to be a big faction would need players actually filling it and the faction itself. An the items would be run by the factions. Bigger things like dojos and houses for thigns would still need to be bought by a leader and just allowed for mass use by its members however.
Some items like special positions (Likely not as great) Could be added with talk with admins once a faction is properly built up and has members and the like. But Factions to get to such a point or even be a stronger faction now would need members to reach that point.
An five solos is hardly limiting. If they are actually being used since even some people who are on lesser populated planets rarely use their cap on them.
And admin saga's aren't a thing because good guy bad guy big events are player driven. There is no Frieza so the player that makes a Kold can be the frieza. There is no cell so a bio android player can be cell. Npc's can easily over shadow what other players are building. An if there is to be big villains or heroes it would be ic built from the players. A big npc villain could easily overshadow the player villains and force them to fight some evil same for a big hero suddenly trying to stop PTO or VEGETA as they build up. For a good example of how it works here is to look at the current saga. Nasu built up his anger and plot to finally assault the lookout. Which can lead to the destruction of it and death of those there if people don't stop him.
There was a idea like this for a prior char and it was decided if you want to have a big villain moving around you have to build him up through rp like anyone else.
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Post by King of All on Jan 20, 2016 15:25:17 GMT -5
As an added note, the leader of a faction has total creative freedom over what they want to do for that faction; let's use the Z fighters as an exmaple:
Tau decides to create a blaster that is exclusive to the Z fighters, she talks with the admins and gets the item approved. What happens then is we add a section to the Capsule Corporation sotre called "Z Fighters Store" and add the blaster there along with how much it costs.
Again, this gives the leaders creative freedom instead of pre-determining everything ahead of time.
That could work yes since it requires development and building to it to earn it.
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