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Outside of RoDs, it wouldn't really matter, seeing as the worst that happens is loss of pride, but inside RoDs...New players being pitted against stronger ones is a legitimate thing. And while death isn't permanent, I feel like newer players should have some semblance of a chance. Goku managed to get one-up on Frieza despite being outclassed, after all!
So with that in mind, while I'm not asking that new characters be given absolute victory over the characters with millions of pl, I would like to see a handicap system implemented. What do I mean? Let me explain:
So, How I see this handicap system working is by reducing the kick of stronger characters if they attack weaker characters. With a tiered system for how much of a reduction we're talking about. For example;
0-25,000 pl: 60% reduction of attacks from anyone above 250k
25,001-50,000 pl: 30% reduction of attacks from anyone above 250k.
50,001-95,000 pl: Only 15% reduction from anyone above 250k. Ends at this point because anyone above 100k with access to good transformations is getting in the range of holding their own.
So I'd like to hear thoughts on this. Does it need refining? Is it a bit much? Maybe just right, but percentages need adjustment? Now, to clear up complaints, new characters probably SHOULDN'T be joining Risk of death threads with someone above 250k, but it happens. Perhaps even after the fact, and while most of us probably aren't gonna one-shot someone way below us in power...That's not to say someone won't join who is perfectly okay with doing that. Besides, this might make fights more interesting.
Err so I really appreciate this suggestion but I really don't think it is that necessary, first thing your point with Goku and Frieza ,Frieza had been holding back at first against Goku and that cockiness was the reason goku did mainly get that one up, Frieza had been so distracted with goku to not notice what goku had been planning against them. If anything that has nothing to do with damage reduction
But more so again on what you said in the end, it become less of a mechanics thing and more of a IC common sense thing to not approach someone much much stronger than you
Personally in the end I don't see this kind of handicap being necessary as your point was more a clever use of strategizing than of a kind of handicap
I would suggest before the discussion is thrown out right from the start that there's not many ways to suggest use of strategy against an opponent that is clearly much, much more powerful than you are. Yes, Goku used cunning strategy to get one up on Frieza in DBZ. But translating that onto DBU, there's no real way to make the same sort of comparison.
Speaking frankly; there's not much that say, Vaneera could do to reflect that against Caesar. Or Shizen against Nasu, etc. May hold some merit, may not. Worth discussing in any case.
Just an impartial observation in the interest of discussion.
I appreciate what you said Atsuko, I was just stating my own opinion which was why I ended my last comment with personally to state it was my own personal opinion, I was not trying to have the discussion thrown out but merely placing in my own opinion on the subject, either way I respect with what you say and all I can say for not is to see what others have for opinions on this subject as well for the handicap, whether to be pushed or not.
*edit, switched to first account here to avoid confusion
Aye, I knew it was your opinion. I just wanted to make sure that no one got a little too hasty about shutting it down. It is about discussion, after all! Thanks for bein' understanding, Chris. Sorry if I gave off wrong implications.
Personally... if your character has no reason to be in the rod, dont join it. If you do join it, well its called a RoD for a reason.
Just like lower levelled characters probably have no reason to jump into a higher leveled RoD, higher levelled players shouldnt really have a reason to enter one started by a lowbie.
Your idea i find would apply more in the event of something like a world martial tournament. Which weve been thinkingof, just havent had the right opportunity! Then ppl would be split by levels and brought up to the same pl for the duration of the tourney~
But otherwise~ trying to even out players in RoD removes all the effort ppl put into gaining PL in the first place.
Personally... if your character has no reason to be in the rod, dont join it. If you do join it, well its called a RoD for a reason.
Just like lower levelled characters probably have no reason to jump into a higher leveled RoD, higher levelled players shouldnt really have a reason to enter one started by a lowbie.
Honestly I can't agree with that sentiment at all. While yes common sense would say they shouldn't, we've seen more than a few examples of both ends of the power scale joining into RoD threads. Especially important ones where you can't exactly say "No you can't join.". There are also examples of stronger characters appearing after the fact.
I think it has some merit. While I won't say it's perfect, I think at the very least it would still work provided it was modified slightly. And while yes, we want stronger characters to feel well earned, we also kind of want players of all levels to be part of the forum. A lot of new players have even expressed being afraid of just being killed outright before they have a chance. That's how much the issue shows through.
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When entering a RoD you should be aware of the risk. I'm in no way favoring this suggestion. Players with over 250k PL had plenty of rps to get there and tons of plots. They have the merits to be there and shouldn't be punished in favor of other newer players. Still, everyone has the possibility to rise and reach the higher levels. In fact, due to the bonus to grading, it doesn't take very long on reducing the gap.
In the end, it's up to the player to decide if he will go frieza or if he will vaporize a weaker fighter. I myself haven't killed anyone in the board even though I was absolutely capable of doing so because plot said otherwise. That's how it should roll.
I'll just say that I understand both sides of the argument and I think they both have a point. Yes, it's true that handicapping people that worked very hard to get where they are may not be seen as fair, especially given all the effort they've put into it. But conversely, people are afraid to even try to get their characters strong.
We've also seen many examples of Low Level RoDs having high level characters joining and vice versa.
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Take the Viceroy Claim as an example. It's decidedly on the lower end of the spectrum, even so Caesar has joined it. Now in a hypothetical situation (which we all know won't happen), even if everyone on Vaneera's side decided to fight him... They'd lose. That's pretty much a foregone conclusion, and it's pretty discouraging.
Now yes, I trust Jarvis. But I can understand why that's discouraging for others in different situations, and it is something that we've all talked about or thought about at one point or another.
Even so, I won't take a major stance; both sides have their points and their merits after all.
I mean im pretty much in the middle hear, for the samw reasons Atsuko brought up. I wont bother rehashing becaue well... quite frankly it would just be what he said.
So to put it bluntly i can see where lower charis might get discurouged by a higher power they coudnt hope to have a chance such as nasu or even atsuko! But... i relize an rod has always held that risk in a way. And ether way i certanly appriciate the idea brought forth.
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I'm sorry some people feel discouraged, but unfortunately that's how it is, that's how it was always supposed to be when some players reached the end game tier. There's no solution to that without making it unfair to those who, by sheer effort, reached such tier.
In the end, in any sort of game, whenever we have this much of a difference, things will obviously be unbalanced and that doesn't mean it's unfair. Game emulates life and life has obstacles that sometimes we can't overcome yet, a situations where nothing can be done about it.
Post by King of All on Oct 1, 2016 20:49:24 GMT -5
If a higher leveled player joins a lower leveled RoD, it's usually because there's some sort of backstory (Usually) and therefore it's expected, or the plan is talked about before hand like "I'm joining but just as a spectator" or "Nakiya wouldn't really pass up this opportunity to observe". Know what I mean? I probably explained it horribly but it makes sense in my head.
Honestly though, I personally feel it's the players responsibility to be aware of what they are getting into. If we start balancing RoD's, then I would remove the bonuses to grades because frankly, it really isn't worth it to give extra rewards when the risk is severely decreased.
Post by King of All on Oct 1, 2016 23:14:13 GMT -5
I'm sorry to see you're taking this the wrong way, Ray. Our comments are in no way an attack on you, we are simply putting up our own thoughts and opinions on a subject you brought up. Sadly they just don't correlate with your line of thought.
The way our current system is set up simply won't allow for something like this to happen as a major part of the system. As I said earlier though, it does have merit and is actually something that is being applied to a martial arts tournament event since that is something a system like this CAN work with.
Ultimately, I apologize as after having time to cool off, I overreacted.
Still, in the end I disagree that some kind of handicap system couldn't work with the site. But I'm ending the discussion here as it's wholly over and nothing more needs to be said.
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